I am aware that this seems to violate common sense, from the point of view of the cable company. However, the law came about because of privacy concerns. Corporate profit motive does not trump privacy concerns -- or privacy laws. The consumer has legitimate privacy concerns. For example, what if I admit that at this time the idea is silly Would the consumer want to know about it?
And know when they were being viewed? Obviously that is not being done, but you get the idea. The courts decided that the line should be drawn at "any". ANY electronic monitoring of what I do in my home. And once again, if you don't believe that, you are welcome to look it up. Post Number: 4 Registered: Jul Posted on Thursday, July 12, - GMT I should have added: If a cable company wants to poll a box in someone's home, all they have to do, in order to comply with the law, is to have the customer sign a piece of paper that gives them permission to do so.
Some cable companies include this in the "fine print" on the back of their cable agreement. It only takes a sentence or two. But most that I know of do not. My local cable company does not. As others have mentioned there is no such Federal law you describe, if you think it exists link to it in your next dumb message. As far as my posts about ROM and polling your movie data you are picking and choosing different respones to different questions.
The reason you are a tech is because you have no understandg of how electronic design really works. I taught engineering at BC for 18 years and have never worked for a cable company. I then worked for Raytheon and was the project engineer for the Patriot missile system. I doubt your credentials exceed opening the back of a TV and blowing out the dust.
Get your info correct or go trolling elsewhere. Post Number: 5 Registered: Jul My apologies. That is why it is not usable for temporary storage, such as movies viewed. Newer machines use flash memory, which does retain its contents with no power applied, but that is still not ROM.
There is no doubt that CableGuy was wrong about his details, which is what that was all about. Accidentally attributing the statement to you, though, was just a simple mistake; it does not mean I am "trolling".
Having stated that, I will also say that you know nothing about my expertise or lack thereof. Yes, I am a certified "tech" because I took the necessary exams to get certified, and then further earned the title at work. But that is not all I am; I make my money as a software engineer. Before you go around calling people idiots, you should find out something about them.
Otherwise you could end up looking like an idiot yourself. We wouldn't want that now, would we? As for the other thing: it is easy enough to say someone is wrong, harder to back it up. Being an engineer OR a cable company employee does not make you an expert in law. Nor does being a software engineer, but I had cause to research this particular subject a few years ago. Have you done the same? When I stated that CableGuy was wrong, I backed it up a few paragraphs ago with factual statements about what ROM really is, and is not.
Where are your facts to back up your position? Do you have any? I was just pointing something out as a matter of courtesy. You can disbelieve it all you want. I am under no obligation to prove it to you. And why should I, when you have already called me an idiot without bothering to look it up yourself? That's the way it works in the rest of the civilized world.
Why should you be any different? But then again, I'm not entirely sure which act you're referring to. Not intercepted. In this case, it does say that no one has the right to intentionally receive electronic data from a device without the consent of the primary user. However, nowhere does it specify that the consent must be received in written form. In fact, it doesn't specify a required means of receiving that consent, and I imagine that's for the courts to determine.
Any precedent? I think cable providers are completely in the right, because all the data they are receiving can reasonably be assumed to have been sent with the user's consent. After all, if you order a PPV and you are aware that it's going to cost you i.
It's not a reasonable conclusion, it's a necessary one. Now, if they were monitoring how much of every channel you watch or at what times you watch each channel and they receive that data in a form that can be directly linked to you, then they're at fault, because you can't reasonably assume the layman would know that's going on. The webcam example would no doubt be illegal too, but not because of its ability to monitor tampering so much as its ability to monitor everything else in its line of sight.
Pretend there was something built in that could monitor only tampering. Of course, with a reasonably small error It has to be a device that was clearly designed exclusively for that purpose. So long as the STB is labeled such that the user ought to know they're not authorized to tamper with it, then tampering falls outside of what's considered normal use of the STB, and since the Act only protects "users," well, guess what?
Of course, we can't argue unless we're talking about the same thing. So if you're referring to some other Act, let us know specifically what it is. Maybe link to the exact verbiage. And for all the "moral" cable employees out there, I don't understand why anyone ever attempts to call someone else immoral. By your moral code, yes, their method of cable procurement sorry, necessarily avoiding loaded verbiage Only psychopaths are admittedly immoral.
Everyone else is Stealing a few pennies from the rich guy. After all, they can benefit from that service a lot more than the already wealthy company can from their subscription fee, right?
It's justified to them in a utilitarian world. Of course, you'll probably be quick to point out that legally, there is a clear-cut answer, but I think most people try to tackle this from a moral perspective. Unless, they're a bit over-ambitious. Unfortunately for you cable people, from the individual perspective, morality trumps legality.
Let's be honest, though. Any cable worker that's out there snipping people's illegal hookups is not doing it on account of their moral beliefs. They're doing it for personal gain it's their job! Therefore, it's no wonder that their morality is consistent with their actions. It's called cognitive dissonance. Would you feel the same way if you had never worked for the cable company?
Maybe, maybe not. As to the possibility of whether cable can be hacked Why are we arguing about this? Of course it can. Anything can, and as far as I've seen everyone agrees with that. The real question is, is it practical to do so? In almost all areas, there's more to it than just fiddling with the STB or the cable line. We're talking investing in possibly expensive equipment and with very few exceptions, the answer seems to be no.
Can we all agree on that? Finally, all those flames and not just from Scooby Doo If you're trying to convince someone of something, why call them an idiot? Imagine if an attorney addressed the jury as "idiots. But does the converse hold? That's all. Post Number: 6 Registered: Jul I did indeed confuse the two acts. Kudos for bothering to look it up. You are correct that consent could be given in any form.
But even though a verbal agreement is a legal contract, paper constitutes concrete evidence of that contract. Anyone who wants to cover their butt is sure to get it on paper.
I hardly think it is cut-and-dried that the cable company is in the right here. You use "reasonable" and "assume" but I do not necessarily agree. Yes, you send a request to the cable company for a movie. But that is a direct request As you say, it is reasonable to think that this would be legitimate. That is "surveillance", and it is a completely different matter.
For one thing, most cable users do not even know they do that. How can one assume consent to something that most customers do not even know about? So I do not think it is "reasonable" at all to believe that consumers give their consent.
Is it a big deal? Perhaps not. But again, there is the "foot in the door" principle. Where is the line to be drawn? There might be a qualititative difference between polling a box, and switching on a video camera, but legally and ethically the difference is thin or nonexistent because both are methods of electronic surveillance.
So technically, it is still illegal. That was my main point. At the same time, in the eyes of some consumers, "theft of service" could be argued to be a rather thin technical point. If I inform the cable comapny that I have 4 televisions in 4 rooms, but I really have only 3 in my side of the duplex and I run a cable to the neighbor in the other side, am I stealing service?
Probably, according to the law, even though I see no moral or ethical transgression. But that is a technicality you can be sure the cable company would squeal about. So why should consumers not squeal in their own right, when the cable companies are "technically" breaking the law? How you see no moral or ethical transgression in giving your neighbor illegal cable is beyond me. The number of outlets you have means nothing. Your service costs the same regardless of 2 or 20 outlets.
Youve really just descredited everything you spouted from sentence one with that like of thinking. You running a line to your neighbor or your neighbor walking over and hooking themselves up is the same exact thing. I love people with convenient morals and ethics. I will not tell everyone how, but if you pm me, I can explain. Would it be ok to share your power, gas, and water with your neighbor?
I have a Scientific American Explorer and I want to split it out to my computer. I know my Cable company has a filter that prevents me from getting the lower channels. I'm already purchasing Digital and I own the Cable Box.
At my last Apt I asked the cable man to remove the filter. Which he did as he was doing some other work. Yea I know I can climb the pole and yank the filter off myself Thanks in advance. One client and multiple servers From what I've seen, the government only restricts the what, not the how. So as long as they're not taking data without your consent, the method is irrelevant. I'm not saying that's right or wrong. I just haven't seen anything that says it's illegal.
First of all, I am a computer science BS degree student. Currently on my Junior year. I also enjoy circuit design and embedded programming on the side. So, I guess you could say I am a computer scientist with a strong influence on computer engineering. Cable can be hacked. In olden days it was quite easy, but cable companies have gotten increasingly smarter. It is very difficult, bordering on impossible to hack now. This alone is much more work than the average person wants to do.
This is the easy part. Then you have to know how the signal is encrypted and have a decryption key. On top of that you have to spoof a working customer's box. These are not easy tasks. Trying to brute force a customer's setup is basically impossible which means you have to use your account. If you make a mistake, and somewhere you will make a mistake, the cable company will know that you are trying to steal cable, and you'll end up in prison for a very long time.
If you really want to do cable hacking, then you should definitely go with a computer PVR card. If you really want to steal, which is wrong and I don't recommend it, cable isn't the way to go. Pick up a cheap satellite dish and a dvb card for your computer. There is both linux and windows filters already written. You can get upward of digital channels for free off of one satellite.
Furthermore, it is virtually untraceable. Rewriting the firmware is not as hard as being implied. Firmware is updated by the "company". Once the firmware is re-written, and your list of mac address's, you now can "spoof" the address of those who have the service and not The "company" does not voluntarily return funds for a double charged account UNLESS the customer requests it y2k bug that did not exist, but millions of cable customers double charged without return of funds I was there for that and watched the "company" steal from their loyal customers.
Was that or any other unethical business dealings these people do? We live in a corrupt world By the way Man you ppl are just whack. If you don't know, look it up. If you don't know what a MAC is, look it up. It's hardcoded in the equipment from the day it rolls of the assembly line.
No way to spoof it as the boxes are not a 'true' pc with a operating system to direct the internal components like a PC sitting on your desk. Oh, I read somewhere earlier that old pc's used RAM and a battery NEVER happened. I was doing computers like the original chip IBM's before some of you were born.
The battery was only to retain specific changes in the setup of the hardware for devices attached to the mother board hard drive,video,etc.
If you don't know machine code and think php or xml are the way things work, then you should learn a little more about electronics, electrical and computers.
It takes a lot of coding, electronic knowledge and time to be able to hack a box. It does NOT free up digital signals as it still is electrical current and blocked. Unless the laws of physics for some unknown reason do not apply to you, digital and analog are electrons electricity and you can not 'filter' those to get more channels. If you think that "polling" is wire tapping on your house, you belong in an institute. Enough on that. I know it is a hard coded "computer" and I use that term loosely as it is like my cell phone 'computer' or my digital cordless home phone 'computer' and set to perform a specific function.
It is more interactive in performing it's function that my microwave computer performs a single task it is still not a true computer. You can hack DirectTV cards, that's a given. I will keep on googling to see if someone, somewhere has actually hacked the boxes, but until then, all these people given email address asking to something and not giving anything in return are leechers. Only two things in life are for sure Look it up You can spoof a MAC.
Taxes are not sure You can order a bunch of moives on a motorola box then either hold down the power and select and the same time and reset the ac power.
The box has to go back to motorola to be reprogrammed. The French seem to put a lot of these streaming channels on there and I can tell you, they have some strange sex fixations. Break out that huge screened laptop and you will not know the difference.. This is rather vague but I hope you get my general idea Why not just split the cable, hook one side to the cable box, hook the cable out of the cable box and the other side of the splitter the one that doesn't go to the cable box up to a computer.
Logic and cryptology would say if you know the input and you know the output and you know they are mathematically related then you should be able to find an algorithm that decrypts them.
Then pass the raw cable signal through a device that has instructions to pass the signal through the algorithm and you should have non encrypted cable. No way to poll the device because the device will just attempt to decrypt the poll request and pass it on to the T.
Or am I just applying logic of a different field to something completely unrelated? Posted on Monday, October 08, - GMT This question has probably been posted, so sorry for the repeat, but I just didnt want to go through the entire threads especially with all the animosity. I just moved into a new place that is already hooked up to comcast cable, and I kept my existing box to see if it will work by just plugging it into the cable.
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